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lovemy4's picture

For my daughter's birthday we took 3 of her friends for a night at the Pointe at Squaw Peak (A resort bargain at $119/night with full access to their pool, slide and lazy river.) Anyway, it was a fun time, we ordered pizza for dinner had a cheese cake, had breakfast in the room, then ordered lunch pool side the next day. They also got gift bags w/ matching sun glasses.

Anyway, dropping them off, not one girl remembered to say thank you. One parent reminded her daughter and then she did, but the others nothing. The girls ranged in age from 7 to 10. Anyway, I am disappointed and annoyed. What do you all think?

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Wow. I'd be disappointed. A

susan_hampton's picture

Wow. I'd be disappointed. A proper thank you is such a lost art. I still have to prompt my kids to say thank you, but one way or another, a thank you gets done!



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Unfortunately, I think many

MarineMom's picture

Unfortunately, I think many kids are used to being 'served' and pampered by adults. BUT there are many more who don't take a nice time for granted and are very polite.

I get irritated, same as you...having b'day parties and sleepovers and I've had kids attend who can't ask me for enough tokens, eat enough cake and pizza, etc., etc. and never say thank you...then again, we've had those kids over who say please without being prompted and thank us just for coming over for a simple playdate.

Guess which ones get invited again and again?

It's all in the upbringing. Manners are a big pet peeve of mine, though. I also expect adults to show my children courtesy. I don't know how many times we've been in a store and an adult thinks they don't have to say 'excuse me' because they are trying to get past my child. I always look them in the eye and say 'excuse me.' I doubt the message gets through. The same adults would probably get irate if my children weren't polite to them. And we're not even talking about the ones that nearly run over my kids with their carts!

I try and be "that" mom and

phoenixgrlkim1's picture

I try and be "that" mom and remind my kids of manners when they forget but truthfully I think kids are kids and when they get caught up in the moment of fun or winding down from it they forget. HOWEVER, it doesn't make it right!!! I'm pretty lucky and my kids are pretty good with manners (I've taught them well) so please and thank you usually drip easily from their vocabulary. Hopefully you receive a call here in the next day or two from some of the others but if you don't, the only thing you can do it chalk it up to an experience and remind your own children of the value of manners and that thank you's and please's go a long way!



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I agree with Kim that kids

Sandi's picture

I agree with Kim that kids are kids. Your party sounded like a lot of fun. I promised my daughter this year she could do that. I started thinking about thank yous and realized we went to 6 parties this year and didn't receive 1 thank you. I would blame the adults not the kids.



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I agree too, and I blame the

Ericka's picture

I agree too, and I blame the parents especially if they were at the door. All kids even good ones need to be reminded some times to say thank you.

I'm sorry the thank you's

lattemom's picture

I'm sorry the thank you's were forgotten. What a wonderful thing you did for your daughter and her friends - and to not even be acknowledged for it! Sure does not leave things on a good note.

I think in this situation you would have every right to mention it to the girls as you were dropping them off. If they didn't thank you (and hopefully this was just an oversight) you could have said something like "Mary, is there something you'd like to say to me before you go home?". I sure hope my kids would never forget to say thank you after a parent did something so special for them. But if they did, I would thank the parent for reminding my child of her manners.



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It seems like I'm forever

momto1lil1's picture

It seems like I'm forever reminding my daughter at home to use her pleases & thank yous with us, but when she is around other people, at school or at a gathering or something she's pretty good about using them, however I do have to remind her from time to time. I have noticed when we've been at parties when we leave I have to remind her (she's 5) to say thank you for inviting me and it's almost like when I'm saying it she's thinking oh yeah I'm suppose to do that .... so I don't know if they get so caught up in the excitement, etc. but still it's no excuse.

I would be disappointed if I were you too it sounds like you did a lot for your daughters party and went over the top with allowing her to bring 3 friends and then no thanks or a reminded one ... yep I'd be disappointed too!!

You can't be mad at the

chellesmomma's picture

You can't be mad at the girls. Its not their faults. Kids are raised differently these days. At my child's daycare they teach the kids to call the women "Miss" and they can't get food/drinks/toys unless they say "Please". Its hard to remember that we ned to be upset at the parents and not the kids.

chellesmomma I don't agree

momto1lil1's picture

chellesmomma I don't agree that you can't blame the children, I think you can in some instances. There are those children who are brought up with no manners and no concept of what a please or thank you is. However, there are others that are brought up knowing what manners are, they are taught to use them, they are reminded to use them and they still don't. Yes, I think that sometimes children make honest mistakes and just forget, but I don't think you can honestly blame the parents for it happening in all instances since a lot of children are taught respect and manners and just either disregard them when they are not around their parents or it slips their mind.

I think that as adults we

Rybearsmom's picture

I think that as adults we are the example to our children. If we do not use our P's and Q's when speaking to our children, how do they learn? I don't think the issue of manners applies to just the children either. I have had some run ins with adults that could use a lesson or two in P's and Q's. For example, is it really that hard to give a friendly little "thank you" wave when somone lets you "in" in traffic? No it's not, but most people don't do it anymore. Is it really that hard to say thank you when somone holds the door open for you? No it's not, but again most people don't do that anymore either. My point in all this is that we often get carried away with our day to day activities and forget the importance and impact a simple "thank you" and a smile can have.



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So you're telling me that if

chellesmomma's picture

So you're telling me that if the parents don't teach the kids "Please" and "Thank yous" you're going to be at the child...how is that fair to the child??? remember CHILD!!! A child doesn't know "Please" and "Thank Yous" on their own someone has to teach it to them.

Usually my daughter's

flyerg's picture

Usually my daughter's friends are good about saying their thankyous. When they forget, I will gently remind them by saying, "Hey, Julie - your welcome for the great time you had!" Then they smile a little bashfully and say thank you.



sure, fine, whatever

I bet girls that age are

Optimist's picture

I bet girls that age are just shy with adults. I'll bet if the first girl getting dropped off had remembered to say it, then the others would have too. In an assembly line situation like that, I'll bet that they just automatically did what the others did. That doesn't mean that they aren't grateful. I'd venture to say that if they had been leaving your house after a party, that they would have remembered because the situation is more routine and routines trigger our memory. If these girls had been 12,13 &14, I'll bet that they would have had the self assuredness and composure enough to remember to say thank you in an out of the ordinary situation. And, I'll bet that if you were to walk up to them right now and mention that they forgot to say thank you, they would feel bad about it. But, that's totally what I've seen in my boys. They never fail to say thanks when leaving someone's home or when they are served food at a restaurant, but they do forget in other places. It's a good reminder for us to remind our kids to think about thank you anytime, all the time! I remember sleep overs and ALWAYS saying thank you to the mom afterward, because I was so shy, that's almost all that I would say! But, I was 11, 12 & 13 for most of my sleepovers.



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I don't think it is shyness,

lovemy4's picture

I don't think it is shyness, it was just me and we had just spent the last 20 hours together and I've known the girls for years, one since birth. But, they are good girls and I know they had fun and enjoyed themselves.

I think truthfully it was just the last piece of a bothersome trend. When I ordered pizza one wanted cheesy bread too, after the cheese cake we were walking around and one thought we should have ice cream. I don't think as a child I ever would have had the idea that someone should buy me "more" than they had. I can't remember one thank you at any point in the weekend, except from my daughter when we were driving over to pick up her friends. (Now, that is not saying my daughter doesn't forget sometimes, but she didn't that time!)

This discussion does remind me that I need to make sure she writes her thank you notes for the gifts. I don't want to be a hypocrite!!



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Sounds like a great party. I

brookeromney's picture

Sounds like a great party. I love that idea. Bummer no one said thanks--maybe you'll get a note or something. It just reminds me to do all I can to raise grateful children who don't feel entitiled.



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Maybe you'll get written

perpetual_smile's picture

Maybe you'll get written thank you's in the mail soon.

This might seem a little rude but if a child doesn't say thank you and their parent doesn't prompt them, I say "You're welcome, it was fun having you". The child usually remembers and says "Oh sorry, I forgot to say thank you". Or sometimes I'll just ask if they had a good time and usually that is enough of a reminder to them and the parents for the thank you.

I know it's not my job but if their parents dont teach them to say thank you I stand by the motto of "My house, my rules." and apply it to events that are at my invite.



I agree with you...and I do

MarineMom's picture

I agree with you...and I do the same thing...If I hold a door (or my daughter holds a door for someone) and they walk by without saying thank you, I smile and say: "You're welcome."

As a matter of fact, last week at the post office, I held the door for an elderly gentleman. He said thank you and then held the door for a young twenty-something guy. The elderly gentleman said to me: "What a difference a generation makes. That guy didn't even grunt at me, much less say thank you."

So there are still some of us out there! :-) (It is a source of pride that my daughter does hold the door for people. When she was four, I almost cried. We went to a nursing home with my mom's group and were passing out cupcakes. She got a cupcake and then got up and went toward the plate again. I thought that she was going to take another cupcake, but she was getting up to help pass them out to the residents!--what we say and do does get through! :-) )

You know - I cannot tell you

Katy1999's picture

You know - I cannot tell you how many times my eight year old son hasheld the door for an adult and they don't even acknowledge him......and it pisses me off.
One of the worst was at his Christmas play last year.....we were coming out of a building, and he held the door for me and this lady behind me who had a baby in a car seat carrier on her arm. Well, I went through the doorway, and the lady behind me paused because she was busy gabbing with some other hen and she stood there in the doorway for a while just talking and talking, totally oblivious to the fact that the door hadn't slammed shut because there was a little boy straining to hold it open for her....she finally passed through he doorway and never said a word of thanks...so I said "Thank you, Andrew, for having the good manners to hold the door for a lady.....it is important to have manners even when the world around you doesn't".....and the lady just sighed at me and rolled her eyes, so I said "your'e welcome" and we walked off.....some of these people think the world revolves around them and everyone should just roll out the red carpet when they see them coming.

I totally agree with you,

MarineMom's picture

I totally agree with you, Katy. It makes me angry, too...I just plaster the smile on my face when I say 'you're welcome!'

Manners came up just yesterday...we love to go bowling and haven't gone in a long time. Surprisingly, the large group of loud twenty-somethings on one side were very polite and waited their turn, while the mother of elem. school-age children on the other side just went up and bowled, not caring that 'bowling ettiquette' dictates that she needed to wait her turn.

Just WHEN did manners become obsolete? I guess the good side of it is that our kids will *sparkle* next to many others...behavior talks...

I find it sad that we

mwheeler's picture

I find it sad that we quickly judge the parents......
manners are a BIG deal with raising my son and for the most part he does it well.
I know he doesn't always say thank you....I have been there and have had to remind him.He was in the mist of excitement and will forget.
I would really hate for another parent to judge me because my son forgot to say thank you.
However, with saying that I do get frustrated at times when a child doesn't thank me...and I will do what the other post said...you are welcome......
I don't right away start blaming the parents....
It did sound like a wonderful party...hope you had fun! And for what it is worth I am sorry the " Thank you's were lost " :(

I agree that we shouldnt

perpetual_smile's picture

I agree that we shouldnt judge others. I know that I have had times when I didn't notice that my kids forgot to say thank you or I didnt realise until we got home.

I was simply saying "My house, my rules". That goes for manners, jumping on the beds, washing hands, whatever and it's not intended as a reflection on other parents. I dont think there is anything wrong with saying "In this house we .....say thank you/dont run inside/wash our hands before eating/whatever". I think it's important for everyone to recognise that there are different rules in different places and whether it's something you do at home or not you need to respect the rules of the place you are in. You wouldnt smoke in a non-smoking area, or wear your shoes into a temple when the rule is to take them off before entering, you wouldnt show up to a black tie invite wearing shorts. There are rules appropriate to each place and situation so I dont think it's a bad thing to teach the children (and/or adults) the standard of behaviour I expect in my home and I dont think it's judging them either.



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MarineMom's picture

Well-Said perpetual_smile!

My youngest had a birthday

MarineMom's picture

My youngest had a birthday 'party' recently. It was more of a small get-together. We went to a local place for pizza and fun and a sleepover. My oldest daughter and youngest daughter both got to invite a friend. My oldest daughter's friend knew it was for a birthday...she didn't bring a card or anything. HOWEVER, she was so polite and well-behaved that I was able to overlook it. Had she NOT been so polite and pleasant, I think I would have been a bit annoyed.

Behavior is always what's remembered, I think.

I am not sure why your post

mwheeler's picture

I am not sure why your post was negative towards mine?
We weren't talking about rules, we were talking about please and thank yous.
I agree with all you have said.You have your rules and if my child was to be at your home I would expect him to follow....
I made a comment about judging parents......and it wasn't towards you, alone.
My parents were very harsh with manners.....and if I would forget to say thank you or please at someone else's home...which I know I have done as a child....I, now as a parent would feel bad if someone judge them, because in truth thay were very much teaching me manners.I am not as harsh with my son, however it is something I give little room for.

Sorry mwheeler it wasnt

perpetual_smile's picture

Sorry mwheeler it wasnt meant to be negative towards you though on reading it again I can see why you felt that it was.

I guess to me manners are about rules because that's one of the rules in my house - we have to say please and thank you, etc. I guess maybe I'm a little like your parents were?

I wholeheartedly agree with you in saying that a parent should not be judged badly because their child forgets to say thank you or please. Kids are kids and they get caught up and forget sometimes.



Thanks for saying sorry...no

mwheeler's picture

Thanks for saying sorry...no need...I just wanted to clear the air! :)
There is a circle K by my house and I have gotten to know one of the clerks after five years...and one day she said " I have never heard anyone say please and thank you as much as you"! lol...
So, yes manners are big in my home....something I have carried with me through the years.....
I always remind my son when you leave our home you aren't just repesenting you....but our famliy.

Just to pipe in - I don't

lovemy4's picture

Just to pipe in - I don't think their forgetting reflects on their parents, I know for a fact 2 of them come from families who definately focus on manners, I would guess the 3rd would too, although I don't know, she was the child always asking for more. So, if good kids, with parent who are teaching them right can't remember, what hope do we have???

They are old enough to remember if they wanted to, I am sure if I said, anyone who remembers to say thank you gets $10, I'd be out $30.

I like the idea to pass on to the kids that they are representing the whole family. That is a big concept, but one that should give them pride and pause.



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Lovemy4 you may pipe in

mwheeler's picture

Lovemy4 you may pipe in always... :)
I think it is a question that will always remain " Why do children , do what they do " ?
And I can't answer for other children and I can barely answer for my own son.My son is ten and I know for a fact he is old enough to say " Thanks or Please " and for the most part that I am aware of he does, the other time...hmm..all I can think is excitement of some sort has taken him away.....
I know there are times that when I pick him up and I am busy talking to the mom and before you know it we are in our car...if I don't pick him up I often ask him if he said thanks...he says yes.
When he ask for something he generally will say " May I ", which I just love....but there are other times when he doesn't why can he remember sometimes and not the other...hmmm...good question.I think even if I paid him...he wouldn't always do....
I did say in in my first post that I get frustrated too and I do...so I very much feel for you after what happened at the party...all the time, energy and money you spent and no thank you.
I started the saying " repesenting you and your famliy" because I wanted him to take pride in who he is as person and where he comes from.I don't think at first he understood...but after sometime I think it finally caught up to him.He has come home in the middle of a party or play date because he was not comfortable in some fashion.Anyways...I am going off the subject.... :)

We are Southern transplants

kelli748's picture

We are Southern transplants and you should see the response my kids get when they say sir and ma'am - its a shame we are holding kids to a lower standard nowadays. If we didn't get sir/ma'am out quick enough when responding to an adult a wooden spoon was in our future.

I think its the same with thank-yous. My kids get "the look" when I think they aren't going to say it but thankfully I don't have to use "the look" or wooden spoons very often.....(okay, they only get "the look" instead of wooden spoons - times are changing).

When we've had parties, our

aprodz25's picture

When we've had parties, our son and I will usually thank our guests for coming and they will in turn thank us for inviting them. I think it's a good prompt for guests, even the little ones. I also try to make sure that our son thanks his hosts whenever he's invited to a party. I hope he'll learn to always be grateful for his guests and for being one, too.



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I LOVE Southern manners.

lovemy4's picture

I LOVE Southern manners. When I hear a child using sir and ma'am, I practically get goosebumps!



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Oh man, that sucks. I'm

GlendaleMom's picture

Oh man, that sucks. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'd feel disappointed too. Geez.



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I hope my kids always say

azmommyof4's picture

I hope my kids always say please and thank you. I always remind them when they are going anywhere to say please and thank you and at home nothing goes until they say please and I remind them to say thank you if they forget, they never do though thats a pet peeve in my house. Even if parents don't teach the kids the manners they are still taught at school. If my kids friends forget I just remind them, they're kids. A little girl made a comment to me the other day I thought was a little rude, she yelled at me from the pool, "are you from china?" I said no.... I am from Arizona and she says, "oh you look like a china lady." She was yelling this from the pool. I teach my kids not only matters but not to stare at people who are different or ask questions in front of them like "why does that man have no arm." that question was really asked by my three year old loudly.



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While we're on the

Optimist's picture

While we're on the subject....

Sometimes, I ask my husband for something like, "hon, would you mind grabing me that water", for example, in a "sing-songy voice, that implies "please". He clearly hears my intention and my gratitude up front in the way that I've said something. We often extend the same understanding to the kids and don't necessarily make them say the actual words, "please" and "thank you" each time. Now, if we hear the slightest bit of hurried, inattentive, "command", like, "where's my milk?"...that's when we say, "well, if you find your manners, I'll find the milk"....or, "pardon me, Atilla?", which reminds them to say please and focus on the person whom they are asking.

Ocassionally, my husband may be tired and not that patient and he'll get anoyed if the kids forget "please", even if they said it in the same sweet, sing-songy way. He's a man, after all, so he tends to default to black and white thinking, esp when tired or cranky.

The obvious answer is that if you require the actual words, every time, then kids are less likely to forget. Yet, I don't necessarily want empty words either, so I tend to focus more on HOW something is said, rather than WHAT was said.

I've literally been at a friend's house and watched as my son VERY sweetly asked for something, as her daughter commanded, "may I PLEASE have some juice?!" and yet her mom "reminded" my son that "in this house, we say please". She seemed to be so caught up in the word please, that she failed to teach her daughter that saying please, sarcastically, isn't really saying it. While, you can still say please without the actually saying of the word.

Similarly, my kids can say that they "hate" peas, while her kids all chime in, "ooooooh that's a BAD WORD!". Meanwhile her kids say stuff like, "you're a curly cue!" or "pillow-head!" and my boys think that's mean, but her kids say, "uhnt ah, I didn't say a bad word".

I suppose that's why I will give "credit" for a "default please" to a well behaved child, even if they don't say it specifically.



"Only a life lived for others, is the life worthwhile" - Albert Einstein

Good point. :-))

perpetual_smile's picture

Good point. :-))



Even us adults forget to say

superbusymom's picture

Even us adults forget to say thank you. Isn't it? Too busy is my excuse.

The thank yous need to go

soccermom's picture

The thank yous need to go both ways. Your daughter should have thanked them for coming and they in response should have been reminded to thank her for the invitaiton.

Whether it is an outing or handing out treats after a game, it is very surprising how few kids use "thank you." It takes reminding again and again, but hopefully we can instil the social grace.



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That is a great way to

keasttxnaz's picture

That is a great way to remind them of their manners...just like you said... say Thank You to them as well..
I do this without even realizing I do and always get the response mirrored back. Although it would be nice for the girls to have initiated the Thank You but I bet they were exhausted from all the fun!
This conversation seems like my everyday life having an 18yr boy, a 14 yr girl and a 2 1/2 girl, we are always reminding each other of manners even with the 18yr old. Of course they get to the point where other parents say "What polite children you have" and you wonder what kids they are talking about LOL. Sometimes the 2 1/2 yr. old teaches us a thing or two...she always says "Bless You" after a sneeze, and is quite assertive when she says "More apples PLEASE", I think the best is at the end of a phone conversation she says "Bye I love you"...We know she is just copying what she hears but it is too cute!
We have all been on our best behavior with her little ears around!



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It's been a while now, but I

lovemy4's picture

It's been a while now, but I think my daughter said "Good-bye, glad you could come." and I know for at least one of them I said "Thanks for coming" figuring like you have, that it would get mirrored. It wasn't.

They were tired and I know they had fun. I am just surprised and now will drill my daughter to make sure she remembers!!!



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