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"Sub-Prime Mortgage" crisis - PLEASE READ!

Optimist's picture

Something always seemed strange to me...The housing sector is but a small part of the overall economy of the nation. "Sub-Prime" mortgages are a smaller part of that. And, homeowners who are defaulting on those loans, are an even samller part than that. So, how come this small segment can cause such havoc on the rest of the economy? Apparently, we haven't been told the whole truth. The REAL cause of the crisis is a hidden part of the economy.

A relatively new, investment vehicle, created by the banking industry called, "Credit Derivatives", otherwise known as "Credit Default Swaps", "OTC Securities" or "Assest Backed Securites" is the real cause of the problem. This type of "investment" is essentially a "bet" on any number of various legitimate, financial indicators. For example, in a traditional investment, investors purchase stocks or bonds and in return they "own" a portion of the investment - for example, Intel stock. In credit derivatives, you don't purchase the stock of Intel, but rather, you BET money on whether or not you think that Intel stock will go up , or down, in value during the next quarter. Others bet in the opposite direction - some won and some lost. Credit derviatives were sold for just about any financial indices that you can imagine, although they were heavily sold on the housing market, because, historically, the housing market had been a sure thing. MILLIONS were made by BETTING that subprime mortgages would be defaulted on...Seems like a dangerous conflict of interest! These Credit Derivatives grew streadily in the 90s and beginning in 2000, a series of legislation was introduced, and passed, that gradually eroded the oversight of the banking industry, making these investment vehicles really take off. Historically, a major distinction was made between "Depository Banks" and "Investment Banks", in order to protect the average Joe from having his savings used in "risky" investments. This distinction had been in place since the great depression, when the Stock Market was new and people were still unsure of it's safety. Depository banks are heavily regulated and insured. Investment banks are not. Well, when those bills that I mentioned (I can't recall their names offhand), were passed and the lines were blurred between Depository Banks and Investment Banks, the oversight and regulation that the typical mortgage lender had, was lost. Depository Banks - the mortgage lenders - were free to dabble in unregulated, uninsured, investments. Most thought that this was a great idea, since most believed that the housing market was a "sure thing" and the banks made money, hand over fist, in large fees, for selling these credit derivatives. Individual banks no longer cared if a mortgage could be paid back, since credit derivatives arose that bundled loans and resold them, time and time again. New homwowners could typically expect their loan to be bundled and sold to another bank, within 6 months of purchase! Soon, banks created ever increasing loan products, designed to maximize fees. This spurred increasing sales of credit derivative bets on the housing markets (new build quantities, construction times, etc.). The most important fact about these credit derivatives, is the fact that they weren't on the accounting books of the banks, since they were simply fees! They weren't real "products"...they were uninsured and unregulated. The "deregulation" legislation that did the most damage in 2000, was backed by Phil Gram (who happens to be chief financial advisor to John McCain). All 2,000 pages of this bill was added as a rider, to an 11,000 page budget legislative document. I doubt any of our congressmen/women even read it, let alone understood it.

Our culture and economy rewards speculation. Speculative investing spurred the dot-com boom and bust. Buying and selling of anything - including real estate - is psychological. Hell, in recent years, as my husband and I watched our home value climb, every month, and we were delighted. We literally clipped the housing values listing per zip code from the paper each week and put it on the fridge. We saw the resale value of our house climb from $190K...to $230K...to $250K...and eventually to $360K in 8 monrths! During that time, we, like SO many others, contemplated pulling $100K in equity out of the house and purchasing another home for a rental. Millions did this and told those who didn't, that we were nuts to miss out. Neighbors starting acting as if you must have bad credit if you DIDN'T purchase investment property. Everyone mentally kicked themselves for not buying property "way out here", 20 years ago! In the South East Valley, people couldn't buy homes fast enough, as the stores, open air mall in Gilbert and the new stretch of the 202 took shape fast! TONS of investors bought houses for rentals. People had to camp out overnight in parking lots in Gilbert, just to be able to put money down on a new home lot! Everyone embraced the creative loan products to finance these investments. And the banks force fed us to rake in those fees from these "Assest Backed Securities". Like every psychologically driven, social phenonmenon, there was a tipping point.

Warren Buffet, fell victim to the Credit Default Swaps as well, when he unwittingly bought an investment company that was heavily involved in these credit derivatives. Again, they were unregulated and they weren't on the books, so people simply didn't know how fragile some company's were as so much of their money was tied to these "bets". When Warren Buffet was burned, there were calls to regulate this hidden economy and many professors and economists started screaming about the dangers, but the banking industry was desperate to keep their mistakes hidden. Most say that this is the tip of the iceberg as credit derivatives were also heavily sold for credit card loans, car loans and student loans. Lobbists worked 24/7 to pass additional legislation to exempt the banks from regulation. They hit all of the hot buttons about "big government" and pointed to "progressive" Europe and the fact that England had half of the regulation that the US had. But, the talk died quickly when the major bank of England nearly went under because of these credit derivatives, in 2007. The country literally had a classic bank run and closed their doors, with people lined up to withdraw their money - money that was no longer there. The British government had to purchase the bank to prevent disaster. Ironically, the effort to prevent too much regulation, resulted in more government owner and run banks! But, this barely made the news in the US. Oh sure, it was covered in the NY Times, etc. but the small, local news remained oblivious to it.

None of the millions made from these bets, filtered back into the economy, the way it does with stocks (companies are started or expanded, people are hired, products are sold, etc.). When the psychological tide turned, over extended banks, lost millions, paying on these investments - Loses that they suddenly needed to put back on the books. Investment companies began reporting loses...investors to purchase these "bets" dried up and the millions in fees that the ran the banks before, were gone. The dominoes began to fall. The government began to see that they had no choice, but to bail out these banks.

THIS is what is meant by the "sub-prime mortgage crisis", NOT the small percentage of homeowners who are being characterized as "irresponsible". In fact, most of the sub-prime loans in default, are in fact owned by over extended, real estate, speculative investors. They are not, for the most part, our neighbors.

I can't do justice to this topic. I merely attempted a summary of what I recently learned. It's appalling. I urge everyone to go to NPR.com and listen to the interview with Michael Greenberger, professor of law at the University of Maryland, who was recently interviewed and explained what "Credit Derivatives are". I'm sure that there's more that I missed.

Remember when the financial powers that be, blamed EVERYTHING on "911"..."Katrina"..."El Nino"...we must be more skeptical of what we accept. Sigh...but, damn, I'm a working mother and wife - how was I supposed to read that 11,000+2,000 page legislative proposal??????? Ugh!

"Only a life lived for others, is the life worthwhile" - Albert Einstein

Wow! So convoluted.... You

divaballerina's picture

Wow! So convoluted.... You are talking about something that was a house of cards not a cover up by our Administration. What I am saying is you are looking for a ghost that isn't there. There is no "secret reason". The "reason" is flat out greed. Greed by companies like Ameriquest. You have no idea how much money those guys made. Ridiculous, ridiculous amounts... You are taking a few pieces of information and spinning it.

Believe it or not but JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald.

I have not checked out your link but let me guess, it's funded by a democrat???? Sounds like classic democratic spin to me...

I respect your opinion though!!!



Elizabeth is a discussion leader for arizonamoms she writes about everything from her needing mommy advice to crazy and silly stuff that happens. She lives in the West Valley with her husband and 3 children.

Wow - is right!

Optimist's picture

Wow - is right! OMG...LOL...I didn't provide a "democratic party link". I was just saying where I heard the information. It was an interview on NPR (National Public Radio). I find NPR to be an excellent source of information, because they always debate issues, academically and they seem to stay balanced by having guests from both sides of an issue. I never mentioned "Bush" nor this administration and I certainly never mentioned "coverup"...the law professor said that the banking industry has a lot at stake to protect. Sharing this information was NOT political! ALL of congress missed the boat on regulating this. This was simply, an explaination of what Credit Derivatives are. Perhaps, I need to get out more, but frankly, I didn't know what they were. It was only "secret", in that most people don't know what they are, and the fact that unlike stocks, bonds, retirement accounts, etc., this investment vehicle went unregulated and therefore banks got overextended. I'm not looking for a "ghost" - I'm not looking for anything! I always listen to the radio on the way to pick up the kids from school and the show on Credit Derivatives just happened to be on and I found it fascinating. Who shot JFK?????!!!! - Hey, don't shoot the messenger! Thanks for throwing me a bone, and stating that you respect my opinion, but it wasn't MY opinion. I found the interview interesting and I thought that others might too, that's all!

I guess that I'm just confused by your position, since you stated on the other thread...

"This all started by the government not putting regulations on the mortgage industry"
and...
"I hold the government responsible for not stepping in sooner with laws and regulations for this industry "....you even stated that you thought the government SHOULD step in and help. And, I'm just agreeing with you!

I guess that I just discovered the details of what you meant. I'm really not sure why you commented that MY comments that the government failed to regulate all this, is "spin"??????



"Only a life lived for others, is the life worthwhile" - Albert Einstein

Sorry I took it was he was

divaballerina's picture

Sorry I took it was he was trying to say that it was a secret reason, like hush the american people should not know the real truth...or something..
I totally think the government should step in because people were taken advantage of by these greedy company's that put people in loans that were not good for them. The Government should have had predatory lending laws set in place when this was happening. I think the reason the banks are reporting losses is because of all the loans that are in default and that's it. The OTC's and credit derivative investors were more apt to invest in the non conforming (sub-prime) loans because they had a higher rate and pay out yield but they did all this buying way before all these defaults. Those investment deals had nothing to do with the reason the housing market is so bad. They have been around for a long time. I took it as what that professor was saying was that it's secret reason for the market. The housing market is bad because of greedy companies that put people in loans they could not afford through stated products, arms etc because there was not any regulating going on on who can get what so it was a free for all. When I lived in Austin and was in new home sales I sold a home to the nicest Hispanic couple and when they started the loan process my in house lender informed me that he could not do the loan because the couple were not us citizens. I explained this to the couples realtor who did all of the translating ( I worked for the builder, I was the person you meet when you walk in the model home) The couples realtor told me not to worry that she had a lender they could use who could "get the deal done". I didn't have anything to do with it I just worked for the builder. My job was not to oversea the mortgage end of it. My job was to oversea the building. I was like "cool". I have no idea how but that couple did close on that home and they did not even have green cards. Who knows what kind of "cut and paste" job their lender did but it worked. At the time I was happy for two reasons. One was because it was a very nice couple and I wanted them to have that home so bad. Two was because of course I got my commission for selling them the home. It is stuff like that that is the reason for the housing market. There was so much dishonest stuff going on. Cut and Pastes become a hushed term but it was normal for most of the mortgage companies. I will go ahead a tell you that my husband was very high up with a large greedy company and he was over about 8 branches here in AZ, He had over 100 employees. We moved here from another state for that company and it took him awhile to settle in but when he started to see what was going on. In his new territory here in AZ he found out that dishonest stuff was going on and that it was quietly encouraged. Shocked, my husband brought it to the attention of the company in another big state and not long after that when they realized that my husband was not going to practice business dishonestly like they were he was paid his year salary and asked to leave . We all know why and it was because my husband started to weed out the "cut and paste people" My husband was firing them left and right. The company got nervous. Needless to say that this company is thankfully out of biz now... The stuff that was shredded at these mortgage companies was outrageous. There was nobody telling these companies "NO". It should have been the Government...



Elizabeth is a discussion leader for arizonamoms she writes about everything from her needing mommy advice to crazy and silly stuff that happens. She lives in the West Valley with her husband and 3 children.

I agree to a point. I think

brookeromney's picture

I agree to a point. I think there are people out there who can manipulate money to the nth degree and fool even smart business men, but in the end if people acutally bought only homes they could afford (by their own real calculations, not a seedy mortgage broker's) and stopped trying to keep up with their neighbor's toys or go out to dinner for every meal, everyone would personally still be okay. Greed and consumerism is crazy right now, and personally I'm grateful for the moment of detox. It's actually, in some twisted way, refreshing.



Brooke Romney is an unbalanced mom of three young boys who constantly has too much to do, and too little time. She writes the Mom Beat column for The Gilbert Republic.

Your points of personal

Optimist's picture

Your points of personal responsibility are right and I think that everyone can agree on that. It just seems that the banks are reporting significant losses and credit derivatives are the reason, rather than the notion that a relatively small (in proportion to the overall economy) loan default rate per state (even if much higher than previous years) is bringing these companies down. Ultimately, mortgages are insured..credit derivatives are not. I found that interesting.



"Only a life lived for others, is the life worthwhile" - Albert Einstein

I agree. However, I must

Teraysa's picture

I agree. However, I must also mention that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are also adding to our economic troubles. We can't expect to spend 12 billion/mo and NOT have it impact our economy.

My point is simply that I

Optimist's picture

My point is simply that I think that everyone should be careful about emotional, knee-jerk reactions. That's hard to do, when the news bombards us with reports that the economy is suffering due to defaults on subprime mortgages. That headline is so simplistic, as to be untrue, and it causes the average person to resent "irresponsible" neighbors, for their growing economic concerns.

There are more loan defaults, probably due to misunderstood ARMS, but the massive damage to the economy for the rest of us, is because of the BETS on those loans, not the defaults, themselves.

If you google "bank losses derivatives", you will see all of the major banks' press releases state "10 billion"..."20 billion"...etc losses that they state are due to the derivatives market (they often use euphemistic terms - "securities derivatives", "asset backed securitties", etc), but they all admit the same thing. Even the Swiss bank is reporting the same thing. Collectively, they are reporting that 500 BILLION
dollars have and will be lost from our economy.

It's like the banking industry threw a huge party while it's parents (the government) was away (in Irac, perhaps?). And now, we have a huge mess to clean up. Blaming our neighbors, is like blaming the guy who delivered pizza to the party! Yeah, those are his pizza boxes on the floor, but...

I saw several experts mention, "If LaRouche's Home Owner's and Bank Protection Act were promptly passed, the speculative hedge funds who started this disaster would be the ones biting the dust, and not our far more necessary institutions". I'm going to have to look into this Act.

I just think that we should all be careful in our conversations with friends, family, the moms in our kids' playgroups, etc. Hard times, lead to hard opinions. Frustrations lead to blaming the other guy. As always, I try to be on the lookout for Red Herrings...more thoughtful analysis and less emotional conclusions.

After all, our kids are listening.



"Only a life lived for others, is the life worthwhile" - Albert Einstein

very true

divaballerina's picture

very true



Elizabeth is a discussion leader for arizonamoms she writes about everything from her needing mommy advice to crazy and silly stuff that happens. She lives in the West Valley with her husband and 3 children.

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