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DesertMom's picture

I know all the stats and hear all the time that kids are experimenting with sex at younger and younger ages, but still.... I still get shocked when I hear things from my kids that are happening at school.

Just yesterday, my child who's in 6th grade came home talking about a classmate who was bragging about the oral sex she had with another classmate on the playground. It caused a big buzz among the kids at school. I was shocked, and before I could even process the oral sex part, I asked if my child was participating in any of the gossip, to nip that in the bud. Then I dove into talking about the actual incident and answering the questions that my child had. It was not a talk I'd wanted to have yesterday (or any day in 6th grade!), and I found myself REALLY disliking the girl who started it all.

I'm just floored -- it's one thing to hear stats, but quite another to hear about sex happening so early so close to home..... I'm wondering how other moms would handle this kind of situation.

DesertMom
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well - I would be shocked,

Katy1999's picture

well - I would be shocked, too - but I don't think I would neccessarily dislike the child who started it all. I would have a lot of questions, though.
If they are engaging in this kind of sexually advanced behavior at this age and bragging about it, that tells me they have sexual knowledge beyond their years........which could be because they are being abused and this could be a cry for help.
You have to wonder how this could happen on an elementary school playground and go unnoticed......and how such a young girl knows what such an act is and how to perform it, if that is indeed what happened. I would definitely raise this to the school - someone needs to get to the bottom of it.

OK, this is going to make me

crazymama's picture

OK, this is going to make me sound like I totally grew up in a (inappropriate term) town, but I sort of did, so it's not that bad of an assessment.

When I was 10, and in 5th grade, I remember those whisper chains (where one kid whispers something in the ear of the next kid and on and on) in our cafeteria, which had the long tables with the attached benches, of some girl giving good "head". Now this was all 5th graders, so with the exception of a few really dumb kids, they were all 10 and 11. Now, I had no idea what "head" was at this age, and I would guess that most kids didn't, but I still whispered on because hey, pointing out that you don't understand the rumor was the kiss of death to your popularity.

Fast forward 2 yrs, and I know for a fact that a former childhood friend lost her virginity at 12 to a high school boy, 14. Fast forward to my sophomore year in high school, and there was a pregnant 6th grader. And there were a lot of girls who considered it a mark against them to go into the sophomore year still a virgin.

Personally, I wasn't having sex with any of these people, and I really wanted to get out of that town, so I wasn't even looking, and our school district took some pretty drastic measures to curb the tide of teen pregnancies in the district. I really don't know if they worked at all. This was going on 20yrs ago, so from my perspective, things really haven't changed all that much.

You're doing the right things. Kids that have good communication with their parents are less likely to engage in behaviors that they're not ready for. Also, it was good to remind your kid not to spread gossip, although I did pass the whisper chain, as I got older, I learned a well timed, "Why do I need to know that?" worked just as well for preserving my (limited) popularity, and I was generally someone who was not messed with.

My son is still too young to deal with these issues (2yrs old), and I don't know exactly what I'll say at the time. But count your blessings that your kid actually told you about it. Because there are a lot of kids at that school who never mentioned to their parents at all. I never mentioned it to my parents at all.

this is not surprising, at

differentdrum's picture

this is not surprising, at the private school my 6th grader use to go to a 2nd grade boy was simulating oral sex with a pencil and when brought to the attention of the staff, the family just happened to be a very generous one to the school and so it was kinda brushed under the rug. My friends who's son goes to a different private school told me that a boy there was telling the boys in the playground that girls use their penis's as lollypop's.. My friend was livid and that is putting it nicely, she went the next day to the office and demanded that the boy be brought in and questioned about what he was telling the other kids.. It turned out to be true and the kids was suspended, his parents pulled him and now he is at another christian school. It can happen anywhere..



" just my Opinion"

I've heard the "lollipop"

ZackandAmbersMom's picture

I've heard the "lollipop" reference before from another mom concerned about this. Definitely these things should be brought to the attention of parents and school officials. However, in my day, 25 years ago, I remember 5th and 6th grade was when kids started knowing things and talking about these things. 8th grade was the earliest pregnancy I had heard of. All you can do as a parent, is talk talk talk. Instill in your kids strong self-esteem, and hopefully they will not succumb to peer pressure for popularity. If you are proud of being a "prude," the grief of exclusion from the"in-group" is usually short-lived. Eventually the strong personalities make their own "in-group."

There's no doubt that this

Kindahotmom's picture

There's no doubt that this stuff does happen in the middle school grades; however, if it allegedly happened on school grounds, you should really alert school authorities. As school officials and parents learned in the Cave Creek school district, boys were doing this to girls as a form of bullying.



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My nick name in the sixth

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My nick name in the sixth grade was "Prudence "( Prude).That explained why I was dumped so much.I am not sure what all the other girls were doing, but apparently I wasn't.I even got so upset by the name that I figured out how to give myself hickeys one weekend...and thought for sure come monday the name would be dropped.....I guess I didn't do so good at that...they all knew it was self made.So the name stayed and laughter for weeks....
I do think the topic of sex is more discussed among the young more then when I was in school, but with saying that I think the curiosity is still the same.
I agree with the other post that it is wonderful your child is talking to you about this.......and also since a sexual act happened on campus I would talk to the school.

Kudos for diving into the

not_the_mama's picture

Kudos for diving into the conversation, even though it came out of left field. I'm also impressed that you stressed the importance of not passing on gossip.

I think it's entirely okay to admit when you're not prepared (as in, "Really? Wow. I need to think about this for a couple of minutes.") There are just so many things wrong about this picture.

I'm of the opinion that, when kids have a basic understanding of how sex works (i.e. as a previous poster mentioned, know what "head" means), they are less impressed -- positively or negatively -- when these things come up. Most of the gossipers probably don't have the facts, so they're more curious about it.

I also like that you make the point that oral sex is still sex. Young people today don't seem to get that, and the experts are saying that this misconception leads (especially young) teenagers to psychological and emotional grief. In almost every case, it's the girl giving and the boy taking; that's certainly not a precursor to healthy, happy adult relationships.

When kids already know what sex acts are, they're more prepared to talk about sex in the context of their familys' values. I'm concerned that this (or something like this) happened on a school playground. Of course, I'm appalled at the lack of adult supervision. More than that, though, I'm bothered by that these kids did this, essentially, in public. That indicates (at least to me) that they've been exposed to some pretty unhealthy examples.

I think that what tweeners and young teenagers need to hear is that sex outside of a mature, adult, committed relationship (defined by his/her family's values) isn't bad because we say so. It's bad because it turns something wonderful -- intimacy -- into something selfish -- gratification. It's bad because you can only give your virginity to one person, and that person, at the very least, should be someone you'll treasure for the rest of your life -- not someone you'll remember with any degree of shame 10 years later. It's bad because there are health risks. It's bad because even the most level-headed adult who has sex for the sake of sex ends up doing really stupid things. It's bad because babies happen, babies are a life-long commitment, and when babies are born to immature parents, everybody starts out with the short straw.

Kids today are watching

differentdrum's picture

Kids today are watching shows and even previews that show sex anywhere any how like "lipstick jungle, greys anatomy, desperate housewives" ect. and they think it's ok, and they see parents watching this and laughing which to me is sending a message that it's ok.. (that's my opinion), and so kids act it out in their world, on the playground in the park, a few years ago the part across from the MS by my house, kids got busted having (inappropriate term) parties and rainbow parties, Yes parents whose kids were brought home to them were in surprised and shocked and the real bad thing was the blame game that went around, instead of these parents holding their kids responsible. When us parents saw the cops and stuff of course we were curious of what was happening.. Iknow that at a store at the mall where my older works she came home disgusted to find out that a couple of the young kids that worked there were having sex on the table in the break room, not knowing that loss prevention watches everything and they were fired immidiatly and parents notified. my kid was like that is disqusting to know that ppl are acting out stuff they see on tv and this is were we ear our lunch and dinner.. Totally disgusting! I am glad that my kid is totally given her life to Christ and by that has made a commitment to follow that example to stay pure until marriage.. My younger one is now in Middle school and in shocked at what the kids talk about at school, and she nows the importance of why, she should stay pure until marriage and hopefully they both will marry men who fill the same way and have saved themself.



" just my Opinion"

I wont go into great detail

AZsara's picture

I wont go into great detail but being brought up as I was (the state sucks as a parent) oral sex in the 6th grade?? I thought most did. I was the only virgin I knew at 13, I thought I was wierd. I knew a girl that was pregnant at 12, most were by 15. It is never too early to talk with your kids, the other kids are talking to them. Reality sucks but the reality is they know about sex before the 6th grade. Do you want them to learn about it from you or on the playground??

sara



sara

Not_the_Mama - I'm copying

lovemy4's picture

Not_the_Mama - I'm copying your last paragraph to put in my collection of things to remember when the questions get asked at my house. Thanks.



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Thanks for the postive

not_the_mama's picture

Thanks for the postive feedback; it means a lot.

Me too -- I loved what you

DesertMom's picture

Me too -- I loved what you wrote -- so very thoughtful.



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Scary. Good for you talking

tink's picture

Scary. Good for you talking about gossip. I've talked to the kids since they started daycare about how private parts are only theirs to touch. As they've gotten older, I've explained sex some, but not totally. We've talked about babies and how they happen and how really only married adults (I'm not yet ready to talk about consenting adults) should be doing that sort of thing.

Before I was a foster care

usedtobeme's picture

Before I was a foster care provider, my mouth would have dropped and I would be appalled. Now, not so much. I have two daughters who live with me, 10 and 8. I also have a 16 year old step daughter who lives with her mom. That girl started having sex when she was in 7th grade. My sisters both started then as well. I was 23. An old maid by today's standards, LOL. However, what I learned from the fostering and my step daughter, is that so many kids just don't get any information and if they do get some, usually it is not entirely correct. In my house, I am all about opening up and talking about the situation and giving what I hope is just enough information.

Good for you for talking to your child. So many parents do not. I had to explain what a BJ was when my daughter heard it on a movie. Yay me.



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I remember being in junior

ArizonaMoms's picture

I remember being in junior high and hearing of an eighth grader being pregnant, and that was pretty scandalous then. A straight talk with the kids is a must before they hear sex info from someone else who may not share your same values.



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'My daughter, who is also a

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'My daughter, who is also a 6th grader, just came home from school last week to tell me that a girl in her class - who has flunked 6th grade 2x now and should be in 8th grade - had a handful of condoms with her, showing them off and apparently explaining what purpose they serve. I asked her if she knew what they were for and boy did she. She went to the prinicpal the next day and told her about it. They searched the little girl and found some on her. 6th grade is way to young - I\'d like to think anyway - but these days it\'s not. Ask your 6th graders what they know about drugs. That will really blow your mind. My daughter doesn\'t know in depth what they are but she knows more than I would have expected a 6th grader to know. Open line of communication is all you can have in the end and hopefully all you have taught them in your open discussions sticks with them

My daughter is also a 6th

andreakay28's picture

My daughter is also a 6th grader and she came home from camp this summer Knowing a lot more than believing sex was kissing with the Tongue. All I can say is I want my baby back.



ANDREAKAY

As Miley Cyrus would say

workingmom.Lisa's picture

As Miley Cyrus would say "Say what?"
This leaves me speechless and surprised, I do hear of acts in my daugther's 5th grade class that seem innapropriate to me and i have talked to the teacher about it before.

At this point, I think she still asks me when she has a question and i hope it continues forever and ever.



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Oh my goodness my daughter

azmommyof4's picture

Oh my goodness my daughter will be entering fourth grade and I am so scared. Im with you Lisa, I hope my daughters continue to ask questions forever and I hope they confide in me enough to where they feel they can tell me anything. If I ever heard anything like oral sex on the playground I would alert office staff immediatly. Scary.

I have to say I am 26 and went to school in Arizona all my life, I never heard anything about sex, especially oral sex until junior high. 7th or 8th grade maybe. But I do have to say I had my first baby young and so did many, many others.



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What really scares me, more

DesertMom's picture

What really scares me, more than this incident, is that I imagine there will come a time in the not so distant future when my kids won't be as open about telling me things....



DesertMom
http://ppdsurvivor.blogspot.com

my child just finished 5th

workingmom.Lisa's picture

my child just finished 5th grade and this isnt far frm what I am getting from her either. i have kept the lines of communication open so she can come and ask when she needs to talk to someone. i can only hope that she will do so.



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Just say, "You're going to

not_the_mama's picture

Just say, "You're going to hear a lot of things about boys and girls and sex from your friends. They probably have no idea what they're talking about. If you have a question, I'll try my best to answer it. If you're not comfortable asking me, ask [fill in the blank]; I won't be mad. I just want to make sure you have the best information so that you can make the best choices."

If she asks your sister if she can get pregnant by kissing with her mouth open, make sure the two of you laugh about it after she's gone to bed.

I like your post, not the

Ms.M's picture

I like your post, not the mama. As I've made pretty clear in my various posts, I'm all for open, honest communication with children...appropriate to their age levels. Ignorance helps no one. My own mom was soooo out of touch, so sexually repressed and embarrased about it, she never,ever talked with me or my sisters about it. Without going into depressing details, that harmed me tremendously and made me extremely vulnerable to all kinds of influences.
The kids are learning this stuff someplace...I would march my butt right into the principal's office and find out why the kids at school aren't being properly supervised, on the playground or elsewhere. They are totally responsible for your kids while on that property, in their custody.



Ms. M

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