I believe it!
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23697255/?GT1=43001&pg=12#TDY_10SafestStat...
I am not originally from Arizona and I did tell my hubby that as soon as his 2 kids from previous marriage are old enough to go to college which is about 4 years from now, I want outta here Arizona! I love Arizona as far as scenaries, etc but this is no place for my kids. I don't like the fact that I cannot let my kids do whatever they want on their own like I did back in my childhood days in Lake Tahoe.
Nevermind my opinion of Arizona - What are your thoughts of raising your kids here in Arizona?
H~
Mom of 2 Daughters - Kelly (3 yrs) and Skylar (21 mos old)
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As a born and pretty much
As a born and pretty much raised my whole life in Arizona I will gladly comment to your post. When I was younger I remember living on a cul de sac in Mesa where we knew all our neighbors, had block parties, family camping trips, went to the local 7-11 to shop for candy and treats with money we found in our house, given as allowance or birthdays. We walked to school, I even walk to my Jr. High (which was supposed to be a bus ride) 3 days a week to help keep me lean and in shape, and when I was in high school would bicycle all summer long at any time of the day. It was safe to do that back then, because that was 15-20 years ago. Everywhere you go, times change, people change and so do the statistics. We have a lot of illegal immigrants here who over the last decade have been the source to the crime issues and parents now a days aren't as strict with punishment and action with thier children. I know that when I lived in California about 11 years ago, crime in AZ was a lot less than it was there.
Sure we aren't as safe as we once were (what state is), but maybe instead of displaying the issue you should be a part of the community and help clean up the problem. Instead of complaining about it to a bunch of Arizonians and saying you can't wait to leave, maybe you should embark on being a part of a neighborhood watch or PTA to help educate people on the current status and offer ideas on how to make it safer while you must stay here. You never know, maybe 4 years from now when you go to leave, we'll be in the top 10 of safest. Would you stay then?
"It's not to late to become who you've always wanted to be..."
Actually we live in one of
Actually we live in one of the safest communities in Phoenix. We have a guard at the entrance before entering the community and we also have roving security every 15 mins in our community. And still I don't trust leaving my kids unattended and this really puts a dent in their advertures that they should have that I experienced as a child.
4 years from now will never change. It will probably improve but I doubt it will reach to the top 20 in a very short time. My husband, being a native Arizonan, said the same thing and he is willing to move out of Arizona.
Just too much BS here in Phoenix that are just unwarranted nowadays.
H~
Mom of 2 Daughters - Kelly (3 yrs) and Skylar (21 mos old)
zoostationu2@hotmail.com
Well I can't really comment
Well I can't really comment on this comment other than to say this...I live in North Phoenix in a non gated community. My son and daughter walk to and from school every day. I live in a very safe neighborhood (as far as I'm concerned) where in the 2 years I've lived in this area I have left my doors unlocked at night, my children unattended in the front to ride bikes and play with our neighbors and recently my 12 year old got to walk about a 1/2 mile up the road to the comic store to spend his b-day money. So I must be living in a completely different area than you and just can't relate.
I agree with the other posters. My kids go to museums, parks, zoos and many other places. We hike, travel north for the weekends and spend lots of family time together. I think it's what you involve them in that keeps them safe, entertained and adventurous.
I think in all fairness where you live is what decides if it's safe or not. My kids have never lived in what I'd consider "low class" or "ghetto" although I certainly have and will say the crime was much higher in these areas. And if what the poster has below has said is true (part of the list is based on if wearing bike helmets and seat belts) then I will go bed tonight at ease that we may not be the safest state, but as my child's provider I do my part.
"It's not to late to become who you've always wanted to be..."
My point is this - when I
My point is this - when I was growing up, I was able to go anywhere myself - skiing, cycling, swimming, etc and even to art places, museums, etc on my own and my parents were not seen "unfit nor irresponsible" and I was pretty much younger than 12 years old...Here in Arizona, I have to be with my children anytime, all the time....I can't go up to Snowbowl and drop them off for a day on their own or drop them off at a horse ranch so they can ride their horses so they can go venture out on their own and so on otherwise I would be branded "unfit mother" because of some dumba$$ parent did something to her/his kid(s) somewhere in the past here in Phoenix that the whole public cried afoul.
We are talking two very different scenarios here. I grew up in Lake Tahoe and even to this day, Lake Tahoe is still a much better place for children growing up than here in Phoenix for MANY reasons. My husband was amazed of Tahoe, even Farmington, Connecticut where you see gorgeous farmlands, events, stuff that kids could do on their own and something he never knew of because he is a native Arizonan, actually a native Phoenician...
H~
Mom of 2 Daughters - Kelly (3 yrs) and Skylar (21 mos old)
zoostationu2@hotmail.com
I read the rankings in
I read the rankings in parents magazine, and some of the areas are stupid, like weather we have a law that makes kids wear helmets or wheather you have to sit in a booster until you are 8. Some of that stuff I think a parent should just do, and it doesn't make your state unsafe for kids.
I love living here, and my kids thrive in a climate where they can play outside and enjoy fresh air on a regular basis. I also feel like I live in a family friendly area with lots of parks and activities for children. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the school system. We moved from northern virginia, and this is definately sub-par. On the good end of things, there are a lot of other education options.
Brooke Romney is an unbalanced mom of three young boys who constantly has too much to do, and too little time. She writes the Mom Beat column for The Gilbert Republic.
my husband went on and on
my husband went on and on the other night how he feels that moving to AZ was a mistake for one reason and one reason only. He doesn't feel as though its the best place to raise our daughter. (She was born here about a year after we moved to AZ)
He thinks that kids get in to more trouble here, because they are bored and there is nothing for them to do here. I don't know if this is true or not. In a way i feel like a parent can help keep kids busy with extra activities outside of school, without over doing it and stressing them out. But he is more concerned of when she becomes a pre-teen. (I guess they are calling this "tween" now). He has talked to a couple of other parents whose children are or have been addicted to drugs (they are in their late teens) and some teenagers currently in highschool and some of the things they have told him about drugs in AZ schools has caused him much concern. I have told him that i am sure there were different issues our parents were concerned about when we were kids, be we got through it. I think times have changed and that means how we raise our kids has to change with that.
He is also concerned how the AZ government continues to cut money for education. I have to admit this concerns me as well.
We like AZ and honestly - I think we would probably be concerned about all of this no matter where we choose to live. Just because we love our daughter and want to keep her safe.
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I too remember neighborhood
I too remember neighborhood BBQs, and kids riding their bikes all over the area and etc (this was in PA) and I think it's a combination of nostalgia and the times.
I feel the area is safe for my kids, and I think there's a lot more for them to do here than in the small town I grew up in. There will be certain limitations that I did not have as a kid. For example, I lived in a neighborhood with a large wooded area behind it. We used to go play in the woods and our parents didn't exactly know where we were. If my mother needed me, she would stand on the back porch and yell my name until I responded. This is pretty much out for my son. But you know what, it was unbelievably dangerous for me too. Especially since people would hunt out of season in those same woods.
My son has access to museums and parks libraries and festivals and lots of friends, and while bad things do happen to good people, bad things always happened to good people. That's not new.
And I do think I have the commom sense to use safety belts and helmets, if it's legislated, I don't have a problem with that, but it doesn't change my behavior.
I think Arizona can be a
I think Arizona can be a wonderful place to raise children. I think a generalization of "Arizona" not being a good or safe place is misguided. I think perhaps Phoenix is being confused as "Arizona".
Phoenix is one of the largest cities in the U.S (I think the 5th). With that in mind, it statistically makes sense that the amount of crime coincides with that fact.
There are many cities, towns and communities all over the state of Arizona that have very little crime.
15 or 20 years ago crime was far less in most communities in the nation. Generally speaking, parents these days also tend to be more educated about taking care of their children and protecting them from potential danger.
Being an extremely vigilent parent, I won't ever feel comfortable with my children wandering a town on their own... no matter their age or location. Crime occurs everywhere, pedophiles are everywhere, kidnappings happen everywhere. Accidents also happen everywhere, children get lost or injured. They also can be victimized by other children. Left to their own devices and boredom these same kids commit a lot of crimes on their own especially vandalism.
I feel sorry for the children of parents who want to move elsewhere so they don't have to supervise their children. 25 years ago I was nearly kidnapped in a small, "safe" community, one of the most affluent in the country.
Most molestation of children is committed by family members and friends of family. Do these parents realize how unsafe even their own households, neighbors, friends homes or schools statistically are?
Hopefully these children will not become another statistic due to a false sense of security or "it won't happen to us" syndrome.
I keep my children busy, they are not bored. I have a teen neice and nephew who just moved back East and were both moved 2 years ahead of their peers in school... they were educated in Arizona schools. Could it perhaps have to do with the parenting??
Take care of your own children, educate your children and entertain them. It's not the governments job, the teachers, the communities or anyone else's. We live in America for goodness sakes. If you don't like the public school then go earn more money to pay for private or school your children yourself at home. Take accountability for yourselves.
lovetwins2003
"I feel sorry for the
"I feel sorry for the children of parents who want to move elsewhere so they don't have to supervise their children. 25 years ago I was nearly kidnapped in a small, "safe" community, one of the most affluent in the country."
I am very sorry that you had to experience this near kidnapping ordeal. However I honestly don't agree that this should apply to every parent out there. What happened to you happened to you, no one else. I will not allow my children be subjected for something that happened to you. I am a victim of a crime myself at age 3 (which was while being supervised by my grandmother) but at the same time, I will not "restrict" or "supervise" or "shelter" my children from something that they should be allowed to experience on their own independency, not because of what happened to me.
Peace out,
H~
Mom of 2 Daughters - Kelly (3 yrs) and Skylar (21 mos old)
zoostationu2@hotmail.com
I agree to disagree on this
I agree to disagree on this matter.
I definitely wouldn't recommend that you "allow my children be subjected for something that happened to you". There is no reason you need raise your family the way that I would. I'm sorry that your grandmother was somehow overpowered or failed to supervise you properly to protect you from this crime.
I'm sorry that I was not properly protected.
My children and many others can lead full lives and enjoy independence in many ways. It need not be in ways that could be of potential danger to them or others. With education and the right frame of mind parents can learn how to integrate independence and safety.
It would be very ignorant of me to ignore statistics and my own life experiences. I believe as parents it is our duty to utilize these experiences, current technology and knowledge to provide better lives for our children. This would apply to many things such as better supervision, health care, better diets, taking care of our environment, etc...
How sad it would be to not apply what I learned as a child and young adult to do all I could to to provide my children with a better future than prior generations. I could not live with myself not doing everything in my power and using my life lessons to attempt a better existence for our kids.
History is a way to pass on wisdom and knowledge and it should be valued. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
I see this evolution as a wonderful parenting tool that I fully intend to use.
I hope you have good luck.
lovetwins2003
I lived in SL Tahoe back
I lived in SL Tahoe back when Jaycee lee, was kidnapped at her bus stop, I believe that was back in 1990. Her dad saw the whole thing, he was washing the car about 5 houses from the the bus stop and this car pulled up and a women grabbed her, dad couldnt get the keys quick enough to follow the car. I don't think they every found her. There are only 5 ways out of tahoe and the police, sheriff and HP, couldn't work together to put road blocks up. It was a very sad sad day, and any place you live is only as safe as you can make it.
My 11 year old, walks to the park 1/2mile away, with the dog and she crosses the main road to go get Ice cream or buy something I may have forgotten at the store. Yes, I do get nervous but I believe I have done the best possible to raise her to be aware of her surroundings, and we continue to enroll her in street combat classes so she can get away from an attacker.
Tahoe has changed so much now and I don't think it is any safer than a big city.
" just my Opinion" LOL
I will say that times have
I will say that times have changed. That is anywhere you live. We have lived in Texas and now here. It's the same. Unless you move to a small town in the middle of nowhere you will have stuff that happens. It's like this everywhere Because times have changed I think as parents we need to recognize this and change our thinking as well and realize that if we didn't supervise or restrict our children from what we were allowed to do then I don't think we are doing our job as good parents. Times have changed you can;t let your children do what we were able to do. I'm sorry but if you do and something happens then you can't be offended if you get put in that "unfit category" It would be unfit as a parent to let your child in today's world rome around free like we did as children. I too like crazymama would get to rome the woods behind my neighborhood and nobody knew where we were are my mom would stand out on the back porch and just yell our name to come home. Sometimes it was after dark. You would be crazy to let your child do that now...That's anywhere.....
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What they need to do instead
What they need to do instead of listing the safest states is list the cities/towns that are ranked the safest. I'm guessing they are small towns where there is not a lot of crime.
If you want to be disgusted with Arizona be disgusted with the fact that Arizona is 48th in the nation for education.
If my husband could find a good job as a professor at a college in another state with a better school system and pay that would allow us to live as comfortably as we do now, we'd leave in a heartbeat. Unfortunately the field my husband is in, is not located in all colleges.
I shudder at the thought of my children being educated in such a terrible school system and unfortunately we will not be able to afford private school (not sure they'd be much better out here).
It is better to be hated for what you are, than to be loved for what you are not.